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Okay from our studios this week in Los Angeles and Tampa.
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This is Green Tagged Theme Park and thirty. I'm Philip
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from Ganta Mighty and Controls that I'm joined as always
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by my delightful co host Scott Swinson of Scott Swinson
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Great Development. On Green tag we look at the top
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news each week and we pick the stories we think
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matter most theme entertainment professionals and we explain what it
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means the impact for them.
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We ask questions and try and have a good discussion.
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And this week we are back to six Flags because
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they have some exciting news in that they are bringing
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back their park presidents at ten of their properties.
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And I know, just Scott really wants to talk about this, No,
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I just I just.
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Find it interesting that six Flags. You know, we see
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six Flags going through kind of the microcosm of a
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theme park lifespan. You know, they've they've they've broken up,
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they've they've expanded, they've contracted, they've come together, they've joined
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somebody else, and now they're going they've.
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Got rid of anybody, lost some people, yeah, lots of.
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People, and they let people go and then they brought
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in new people and then so it really, I mean,
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quite honestly, this could be a whole university course just
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in tracking what the hell happened with with six Flags?
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And maybe that would be the name of the class,
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what the hell happened to six Flags? If any of
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you university types out there want to do this class,
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let us know. We'll be happy to help. We've we've
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we've been living it for quite.
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Some time now.
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It seems so yes, yeah, because of course the context
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is as Scott said, you know, not merger. And then
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a few weeks ago they sold the parks, they finalized
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the sale of the multiple parks, and then they had
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a new CEO that came on that replaced Themmerman and
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we have John Relly now as and so I think
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this is kind of the first big thing that the
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new CEO, John Relly, has done, which is to bring
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back these these park presidents.
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And it was funny because I think we.
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Talked about it originally when they got rid of the
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park presidents, and I think was that the silo conversation.
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I think that was a silo conversation.
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It might my biggest issue, My biggest issue when they
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got rid of them was when.
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You lose a park president.
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Then it leaves a control vacuum and it makes the
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in the interior workings of a park siloed. So it
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very much was the or very much could have been
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the silo conversation. But you have the internal workings of
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the park all compete. You have merchandise competing with culinary,
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competing with entertainment, competing with rides, and operations competing with
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human resources. There's no there's no buck stops here kind
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of voice. And you know the argument is, well, that
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comes from the corporate side, But the downside of that
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is the corporate side doesn't necessarily know what's happening in
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the park itself, because you know, these these organizations and
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conglomerations that own parks in many, many, many different locations
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like six Flags, they may know what is great for
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the parks in theory, but there's always going to be
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those anomalies. And you know, I know that Six Flags
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Great America, for example, runs very very differently than Caro Wins.
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You know, they they have they have a different a
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different audience, they have a different basically a different climate
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both physically and business wise. So you kind of have
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to have somebody with boots on the ground making those decisions,
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and I think this is I think this is a
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great I think this is a great step forward. I
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I I firmly support this.
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Yeah, I didn't really I realized I didn't read the
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list of the parks or anything. We just kind of
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jumped into it. But basically, yes, they're bringing back ten.
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And it's interesting because this has not been formally announced
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in a press release or adjusted online or any sort
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of any anything officially. This actually came from an exclusive
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interview that we don't know who actually gave the interview,
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was just a source source at six Flags that was
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given to the Orange County Register, right, And so supposedly
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this week we're gonna maybe get the official statement posted somewhere.
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Probably as soon as we record and post this video,
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it'll they'll they'll make their announcement officially. But so the
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ten parks are Canada's Wonderland, Carowin's, Cedar Point, King's Island,
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not Six Flives, Great America, Great Adventure, Magic Mountain, and
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Georgia and Texas. A few other tidbits that came out
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from the Six Flags officials when they were talking to
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the Orange County Register is that Raffi is going to
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return back to not Sbury Farm as VPM park manager.
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And then the.
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Previous park president from Caro Wins is actually moving to
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six Flags Magic Mountain, so Brian is moving from Carowins
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to Magic Mountain. And of course, as I mentioned, comes
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just a few weeks after they closed the final sale
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of the the the six parks to EPR properties. And
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notably missing from that list is six Flags, Fiesta Texas.
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And King's Dominion.
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They are not on the list, or Fiesta Texas not
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Over Texas, but yesa Texas and King's Dominion are missing
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from this kind of park property list. And there are
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a lot of people with a lot of opinions as
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to why that might be. Most of them center around
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it's a potential sale or something because those have received
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a lot of capital investment recently, and then they're not
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on this list. So it also could just be that
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we don't have the official announcement out yet and maybe
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they're put on there but they haven't. I mean, there's
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a bunch of other reasons. It could be for that,
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but too as well. But and it's just interesting because
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I looked back at when we covered John Riley and
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his little listening tour right, and in his listening tour
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he talked about how he described a chain that had
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suffered from inconsistent standards and the lack of accountability across parks,
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you know after the merger.
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That's exactly what Scott just said.
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There's the lack of accountability of a person, you know,
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at the park level. And I think originally, way back
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over a year ago, when Scott and I first talked
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about them removing the park presidents, we did leave open
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the possibility that it would be a good thing because
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in theory it might be able to kind of help
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some changes get implemented faster. But clearly it didn't work
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because when John Riley went around you can, I mean
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see he said it there's a lack of accountability. So
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I think it ended up being more what Scott just said,
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where there wasn't the buck stops here at the local level,
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and that has caused this confusion. And so this is
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so I think this is all logical. Like he went,
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he did a listening tour, he talked about it. Now
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he's implementing this, and I think even the park choices
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are logical because if you look at even the conjuring experience,
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which I keep parping about because it was I think
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it's a I think it's a.
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Good future path for them.
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But if you look at that caron Cedar Point, Kings Island,
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Cansiwondia Land, they're all they're all mapped to these ten parks.
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So I think that looking at these ten parks is
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probably a good indicator of where six Flags at least
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thinks they have the most growth potential or earnings potential,
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and they're looking at these ten And the choice to
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bring the Caroins over to Match Mountain is also interesting
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because that is one of the ones that probably has
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the most potential because it's in the solcale market and
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it underperforms so and it also has a complete lack
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of any sort of identity or anything.
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It's just sort of like a coaster park.
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talked about in the past of how do you make
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the park differentiated locally, And in order to do that,
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you have to have a coherent vision, and you need
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to have a leader that brings the.
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Team to that vision and has.
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A strong understanding of what the local demographic is, has
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a strong understanding of you know what, when people like,
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for example, and I think what I think is interesting
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is that they that Magic Mountain and not I realize
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it's a very it's a very congested market. I understand that,
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but in essence could be considered competitors to one another,
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even though they're owned by the same by the same company.
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But they could very easily be considered competitors to one another.
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to six Flags Great America only because that's the park
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I grew up in and just recently went back to,
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and with six Flags Great America, there's not a ton
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of theme park competition in that part of the of
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the the country, so they they have always been kind
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of the only game in town. I think the closest
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thing they've got as far as competition goes is and
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it's not really even competition, but it's Great Wolf Lodge,
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which is the the water park hotel that is right
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across literally across the highway. But what ends up happening
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is they kind of have a hand in hand working
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symbiosis because people go and stay there, and that way
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Great America doesn't have to have their own hotel. But
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there is a shuttle, so you know, there's there's all
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kinds of unique, unique situations that I think need to
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be addressed on the local level.
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I guess that's my point.
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Is that you know, the the the park presidents for
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for Nots and Magic Mountain need to be in very
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close conversation with one another so that they're not trying
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to compete with one another. They may find that there
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are there is a symbiotic relationship that may help them
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from a financial standpoint. But if you don't have any
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park presidents, there's nobody there who's going to say that.
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There's nobody there who's going to be able to explore that.
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And the six Flags the Great America Park. Sorry, I'm
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just so used to calling it six Flags just because
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that's what it became. Finally, but Great America the uh,
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they don't have to necessarily be as in tune with
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or strategically planned with other park presidents, but they do
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need to understand what are our local alliances. How can
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we get people out of the city up north to
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the to the park itself.
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How do we pull from.
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The surrounding you know, the surrounding states, because they're not
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that far from you know, two other states that they
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could actually pull attendance from, so they all have their
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own unique individual challenges, and to have a park president
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and each of these locations makes the most sense to me.
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I think, well, I agree with that all one hundred percent.
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like lived experiences or examples from maybe when you were
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doing Bush, because it's a little bit similar where you
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had you know, well, I guess you it was before
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the Sea World thing, but you know, I mean you
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have bushes there and then SeaWorld is right sort of
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tangentially really, but it's sort.
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Of like.
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In terms of how that park president even helped even
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with seasonal events and having somebody there that's kind of
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guiding because we saw that with six Flags last season,
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right where that when you have just one regional person,
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they're looking at it like everyone has to do Christmas
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or do we get you get these mandates, but then
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they're not localizing it, and so then you could see
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where it wouldn't work in some parks because they're not
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accounting for the weather differences or for the demographic differences.
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So is there anything from your experience working in the
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parks that you Well.
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first started at Bush Tampa over thirty years ago, it
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was Busch Gardens and SeaWorld operated almost completely independently of
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one another, as did Bush Williamsburg. Then when corporate got
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more and more involved and that they moved more of
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the decision making up to the corporate level, they found
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some great sharing of best practic as they also found
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some economy of scale there when it came to, you know,
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ordering certain things like we knew. For example, the first
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example we all saw and recognized was when our soda cups,
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our paper soda cups had all the parks in the
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system on it. Because what they were able to do
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is and it's a small thing, but what they were
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able to do from the corporate level is to put
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all of those all the parks on one single cup,
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do gigantic orders which drove the per unit cost way down.
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And that was a good thing from the corporate level.
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Where we ran into challenges, based on my experience and
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my opinion, quite honestly, where we ran into challenges is
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when corporate tried to say things like this particular element
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or this particular show, and I'm going to deal with
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that simply because that was when I lived. When I
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was there, worked well here, we should just lift it
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and place it here. And that doesn't always work, you know,
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if you I mean even even in the California parks.
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Mountains Halloween event and place it into Nots or vice versa,
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I think it would be horrible. I think it would
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just because they're completely different audiences. At least from my
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preliminary experience, they're very different audiences and they wouldn't particularly
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care for the wonderful show. The show that was a
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huge success in one park wouldn't resonate with someone in another.
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So I think that's where the park presidents come in.
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I think the park presidents can come in to make
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certain that those kinds of economies of scale are being
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handled and every park is getting the most out of it.
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But it also creates a bit of a stop gap
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or a valve to say, Okay, I see that you've
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invested X, Y, and Z in this show, coaster element,
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pick something, and so we won't have to do any
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of the we won't have to do any of the
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beta testing or any of that. We've got it all,
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but it needs to be tweaked this way to come here.
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You know.
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One of the one of the best examples was between
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Bush Williamsburg and Bush Tampa. You know, they tried to
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they literally tried to take coasters originally and just remount
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them same, theming, same everything, and and there was huge
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pushback from the park presidents actually, who said, no, that's
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not our brand. And considering that one park was European
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themed and the other one was African themed, you know,
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it just it just made zero sense. There there were
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even situations where and this was catastrophic, but there's and
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I think everybody who's been involved in theme park for
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any length of time knows this story.
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But the whole Drakenfire debacle.
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When the Drake and Fire coaster was originally designed, it
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was designed for Florida, but then the corporate decision was
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made and I'm sure that a park president probably I'm
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sure the park president Tampa was really pissed off about it,
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and the one in Williamsburg was thrilled, but it got
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moved to Williamsburg without changing the design challenge there. It
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gets cold in Williamsburg, So that's why that coaster was
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removed because they couldn't get the lubrication right in the
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wheels and it created too much friction when it got cold.
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So it's one of those situations where you need those
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You need those those decision makers with boots on the
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ground in the location at the park so that they
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can help facilitate the economy of scale, help facilitate the
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best practices throughout the corporation, but also speak to the
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uniqueness of the park so that you don't get force
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fit with something that worked like crazy in another park,
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but it ain't gonna work here.
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So yep, yep, yeah, I tend to agree with that.
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I mean, there is a lot to the best practices,
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like the idea that we we key coming back to
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this idea where we talk about Christmas is a good
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money maker, Halloween's a good money maker. But how those
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things manifest in your park, you need somebody at the
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you know, that sits at the center of Otherwise, like
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you're saying, there's the power vacuum, and so each of
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the departments is going to have a different perspective on it,
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but you need that person who can take that best
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practice and decide how it should be implemented at their
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individual park right and then tap into economies of scale
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where needed.
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Yeah, there needs to be excuse me, a, I think
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the park president needs to be a mediator amongst the
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departments so that everyone feels as though they are being
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heard and recognized. They need to reach they need, So
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that's managing down for them. They also need to manage
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up to the corporate level to make certain that they
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are part of the economy of scale and that their
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needs are heard. And then sometimes they just have to
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be the one who makes the final call saying you
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know what, that's not going to work here because of X.
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Y or Z yep, yep, Okay, well we can, I think,
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move on unless you have anything else to say. No
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more six Flags, No no, no, We're going to stay
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at six Flags, but do a different story. Okay, meanwhile
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elsewhere at six Flags, elsewhere. So this was something we
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didn't talk about for a few weeks, but I thought
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this was a good chance to bring it back up.
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Is that Kennon's Wonderland has made their chaperon policy permanent
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for children fifteen and under.
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And that's basically the whole story. But I can tell you, okay,
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moving on our next story from.
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No, yeah, they seem to. So this was something we
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haven't talked too much about it just because I was
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kind of waiting for a big six flags discussion to
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bring it in. But this has been going on. We've
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seen this for Halloween for a while where they had
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this chaperon policies that come into effect and then they
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come out of effect. And then recently we've been hearing
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or I've been reading more news reports about like teen
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takeovers and it seems like I don't want to like
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belittle it because I'm sure, yeah, anyway, I just think
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it's a little funny. But that's probably because I'm not
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in the middle of it. But anyway, so this has
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been happening at multiple venues around the around North America,
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where they are teams that are planning takeovers of places
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of an attraction and then they'll go and then like
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swarm the attraction and then sometimes it leads to fight
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or property damage. And so now there's been this like
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movement where there's people will call into the Shrif's tip
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line in different places and they'll hear about it whatever.
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So that's the context and then Cana is Wonderland cited
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some of that context as to why they're kind of
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trying to keep this this chaperone policy permanent. But as
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we've talked about in the past, it's sort of like,
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I'm not sure about the viability because it says each
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chaperone can supervise up to ten young guests per day.
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You think you can chaperone ten like tweens effectively that
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you are mistaken in that, But I don't know, I guess,
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So what do you think about this idea of like
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this backlash to these like teen takeovers. Of course, team
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this is has been a real thing. We've report on
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it for years during Halloween, especially where teams cause problems
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in the parking lot or they you know whatever, nonsense.
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But this seems again like we're just trying to the
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wrong incentives. Right, they're set up to to fix this,
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But what do you think about this whole mass of
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chaperones and teen teen takeovers and and.
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Blah think I think I think this is a much
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bigger problem than chaperones.
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Yep, that's that's just my that's my that's my opening statement.
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I think that the whole concept, you know, we we've
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all it's it's the whole idea of uh be there or.
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Wish you had.
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You know that kind of approach that is happening, and
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that is being and has been for years, uh propagated
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through social media that you know, it's it used to be.
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You know, it used to be there'd be a hidden
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rave party that someone would take over and do lots
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of drugs in a warehouse somewhere on a beach somewhere
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and then go home. But yeah, now I remember, yeah,
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well if you remembered it, then you weren't really participating.
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But the.
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That sounds also right, Yeah, yeah, you were taking.
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Video of it with a big Beta max camera and
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so anyway, yeah, no, but the but the idea of
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that going into something that is is violent or creates
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property damage, I don't I don't quite understand it, and
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I therefore don't have a great solution for it. So
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I'm thinking that at least putting in some sort of
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chaperone policy, it's a start. I agree with you, Philip,
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I don't think it's the best solution, but I'm not
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certain what kinds of what kinds of proactive nature could
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be could be done. I mean, I see this so recently.
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I was in Knoxville doing some work for the zoo there,
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and I went to a mall for dinner one night,
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just by myself, and it was a Saturday night, and
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it was filled with exactly this age kid and they're
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just hanging out and they're not I didn't see anybody
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causing any problems, but they're just hanging out. But I
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could certainly see that if if one person started started
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a post on on one of on Insta saying, you know,
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we're all gonna meet at the meet of the food
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court and be there you wish you had been, you
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know that kind of thing, and you had five people
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who had planned to just trash the place. I don't
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see how anybody. I mean, And there's security patrols in
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the mall, and there's police force in.
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The mall, and.
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I mean anecdotally, I have heard stories and I cannot
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confirm these, but I have heard stories that major retailers
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the reason many of them are pulling out of the
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malls is they just don't like They just don't like
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the mall mentality. They don't like the clientele that the
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malls are bringing in, which are primarily tweens and early teens,
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and so you know, like, for example, when I walked
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by and I thought about this as I walked by
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the Apple store in the mall in Knoxville.
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It was packed.
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It was packed with thirteen fourteen, fifteen year old kids
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who had no intention of purchasing anything in there, but
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were testing out every single thing and sometimes not quite
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so tenderly preaching pretty much everything on display in the
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Apple store. So you take that in a shopping situation
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and then expand it into a theme park situation where
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we're already getting people's adrenaline levels up. They're already excited
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to be there. They're usually there to, you know, prove something.
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I'm cool enough or strong enough to ride the coaster,
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or I can do this, or I can walk around
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with some big ass animal that will sell in a
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garage sale in twenty years.
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You know, I don't.
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I have no idea what the answer is. I do
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think that simply getting simply getting more adults who are
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responsible for the behavior of these children is I don't
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think it's a solution. I think it's a stopgap measure
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at best, but at the very least, because you can't
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you know, we've talked about this before. You can't prosecute
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children the same way you.
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Can prosecute an adult.
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And if you have, if you have these adults who
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are legally responsible for these children, you know, I would
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not take on the responsibility as a chaperone to take
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care of what what did you say?
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Ten?
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Yeah, Well that's the thing too. It's I don't maybe
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I just old. But it's like you can be twenty
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one or older. So you could have a twenty one
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year old brother who's watching you know, ten tweens. That's
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just not that's not a thing. I mean, that's not that.
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I mean, that's not that's but.
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The twenty one year old brother though, can be charged.
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Then yeah, I guess that's that's if the kids, if
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the miners are do something illegal.
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Yeah, and again back to the thing I thought was
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most attractive. This well, exactly, so exactly this, This is
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where it gets into all these weird logistics.
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And then also the park said the policy.
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Wasn'd in response to unreally behavior seen at other amusement
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parks entertainment venues, So this is not in a reaction
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to something had happened there. It's like I said, it's
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this backdrop of it sort of feels a little bit
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like a moral panic in a way, or just a
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little bit like you know where it's like, there are
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you know, people calling sheriff tip lines to be like,
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the kids are gonna swarm the trampoline parket at dusk,
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you know, I mean, it's sort of this weird little thing.
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And then in response to that, this theme park is
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adding back in a chaperon policy. And to your point,
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just now, how are they tracking it? How are you
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even enforcing this twenty one year old is gonna be
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chaperoning these you know ten.
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And how do you even know that this is that
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this is the chaperone?
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You know? What do you do? Do you when you
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when you.
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So say, say I'm a twelve year old child, which
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is kind of the way I think most of the time.
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But say I'm a twelve year old child. And I
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go over and I and I me and three of
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my buddies decide we're gonna pull over a signpost. So
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we break over it. We pull a sign post out
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of the ground and throw it on the ground and
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run off and I get caught.
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So what are they do? Have me call?
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You know, they asked me, who's my chaperone. What if
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I say I don't have one? What if I say
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I don't have one? Then what happens?
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Yeah, that's one? Yeah, because that goes back to their
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entrance policy. Yeah, you know, and if it is it
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that you all have to.
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Enter together, okay, but then you don't have to stay
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together once you're in the park.
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Well then they said that the best day after that's right,
488
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they said to stay after four pm. But exactly to
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your point, so are they are they putting little like
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wristband trappers on that? Like how are they gonna if
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you entering at ten am and then you're staying in
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the whole day? You didn't need to enter with the
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chaperone at ten so it you know, it's only after four.
494
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So are they doing park wide sweeps to check or
495
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are they stopping random teens like the entire night and being.
496
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Like, where's your chaperone? I don't know, I mean, I
497
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don't know. I mean I probably shouldn't have called. If
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anyone's listening.
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If anyone's listening, who knows how this works at Canada's Wonderland?
500
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Let us know, because I don't. I don't see how.
501
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I don't see how I think the I think the
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concept is right, I think the implementation.
503
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Seems to me like it'd be very difficult. Let me
504
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put it that way.
505
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Yeah, it's easier for Halloween because it's the entire duration
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of the event, and it's a separately ticketed event, so
507
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it is like you have a definitive open and a close.
508
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You can check tickets, you can check chaperone, you can
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have people and even then I know because I've been
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to Knots, I've been to these parks, to six Flags
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when during Halloween, when they're supposedly chaperon, even then it51200:27:36.440 --> 00:27:39.720
doesn't work because there's so many people in the park51300:27:39.759 --> 00:27:43.440
and there's so few staff that it just you might51400:27:43.480 --> 00:27:46.759
have the chaperone for when you enter, but then everyone51500:27:46.839 --> 00:27:50.720
just scatters and the rest of the time you're they're51600:27:50.759 --> 00:27:53.480
just I mean, it's just it's not possibly. It's like51700:27:53.519 --> 00:27:55.440
I gain, it's back to that thing. If you wanted51800:27:55.440 --> 00:27:58.079
it to be like, honestly, the way to do it51900:27:58.400 --> 00:28:00.400
would be to just not sell tickets to them.52000:28:00.559 --> 00:28:02.240
That would be the only way to do it.52100:28:02.400 --> 00:28:04.400
But the parks don't want to do that because they52200:28:04.440 --> 00:28:06.880
want the money, and so you gotta and.52300:28:07.200 --> 00:28:08.119
Who is who is the.52400:28:09.640 --> 00:28:13.400
Who is the highest market for roller coasters, thrill rides52500:28:13.400 --> 00:28:14.000
and haunt events.52600:28:14.000 --> 00:28:14.839
That's exactly right.52700:28:15.359 --> 00:28:17.480
So I sort of feel like that the theme parks52800:28:17.480 --> 00:28:22.680
are like, I don't Again, I think it's gonna upset52900:28:22.839 --> 00:28:24.440
a lot of people, but I just want to I'm like,53000:28:24.880 --> 00:28:27.200
this is your market. You need to figure the second53100:28:27.240 --> 00:28:30.720
demo target target demo and or just don't settle them53200:28:30.720 --> 00:28:33.240
and change your target target like or just be like53300:28:33.559 --> 00:28:35.759
you can't even come into the park unless you are53400:28:35.839 --> 00:28:39.240
over sixteen, and we can't go to Halloween unless you're53500:28:39.279 --> 00:28:42.200
over sixteen, and then just make the experience better. It's53600:28:42.240 --> 00:28:45.440
this weird tension we've been talking about forever right where53700:28:45.480 --> 00:28:46.079
like that.53800:28:46.799 --> 00:28:48.559
But I mean, let's go, let's go back in time.53900:28:48.720 --> 00:28:51.400
How many of you listening can remember when you could54000:28:51.440 --> 00:28:52.759
enter a theme park without going through.54100:28:52.599 --> 00:28:55.559
A metal detector? That's true, I can't.54200:28:56.440 --> 00:29:01.480
I remember that metal detectors. What I remember the first54300:29:01.480 --> 00:29:03.839
time I went through one. It was the very first54400:29:03.839 --> 00:29:09.880
time I went to Halloween Haunt at NOTTS. I was like, what,54500:29:10.160 --> 00:29:11.240
I have to go through a what?54600:29:12.160 --> 00:29:12.759
Yeah? Wow?54700:29:12.799 --> 00:29:15.960
What is this a high security prison? But now it's54800:29:15.960 --> 00:29:21.680
common practice. Now it happens everywhere and it doesn't happen54900:29:21.720 --> 00:29:24.359
at conventions. Actually, Sonning, you say, now, I was actually55000:29:24.440 --> 00:29:27.000
thinking the last convention I was at that, I thought55100:29:27.039 --> 00:29:29.519
it was weird that we didn't go through a metal detector,55200:29:29.599 --> 00:29:31.720
like when I went to the last time I've been55300:29:31.759 --> 00:29:34.880
to the Animal anim Convention Center, you know, for wonder55400:29:34.880 --> 00:29:39.000
connor for even San Diego Comic Con, huge enormous conventions.55500:29:39.039 --> 00:29:42.160
Mm hmm, no detector is no security. And then one55600:29:42.200 --> 00:29:44.079
of my friends is like, you only think that because55700:29:44.079 --> 00:29:44.799
you're American.55800:29:46.880 --> 00:29:52.559
Hmm. I mean, and.55900:29:52.680 --> 00:29:54.960
Tampa Comic Con had to go through a metal detector.56000:29:55.799 --> 00:29:55.920
Yea.56100:29:56.039 --> 00:29:58.960
So it's it's one of those It's just one of56200:29:59.000 --> 00:30:01.200
those situations where I there were a good answer. I56300:30:01.240 --> 00:30:06.400
think that, you know, without sounding too philosophical or too crotchety,56400:30:06.480 --> 00:30:09.240
get off my lawn kind of old guy. I think56500:30:09.240 --> 00:30:12.920
the challenge is the demographic. What that demographic represents has changed,56600:30:13.559 --> 00:30:16.279
and I think that if there is any way to56700:30:16.440 --> 00:30:20.359
keep these kids involved so much in what they're doing56800:30:20.400 --> 00:30:21.640
that they don't have time.56900:30:21.440 --> 00:30:24.200
To get into trouble, I don't know. I just don't know.57000:30:24.279 --> 00:30:26.279
I don't know what the answer is, but hopefully you57100:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.279
guys will start some great conversations about it on social57200:30:30.319 --> 00:30:33.039
and we'll read them and then we'll know the answers, because,57300:30:33.119 --> 00:30:34.880
let's face it, we've said from the very beginning, we're57400:30:34.880 --> 00:30:37.480
not here to spend these thirty minutes answering all the questions.57500:30:37.559 --> 00:30:39.920
We're just making sure that all the questions are being asked,57600:30:40.519 --> 00:30:42.480
so that's all the questions we have are all the57700:30:42.480 --> 00:30:44.599
time we have to ask questions on this particular show.57800:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.960
So we're going to head off into the great Beyond57900:30:49.400 --> 00:30:52.200
and hopefully we will see all of you next week58000:30:52.240 --> 00:30:54.319
here on Green Tagged Theme Park and thirty
